Hello,
I recognize the title is a bit provocative... But if u compare EGLUG to a soft... and u imagine that the people around are script of that software... then I would be pleased to have more clue about the way it really work. I want to have the source to see how can I add my own script.
I joined two saturday meeting. I met really nice people... But on the other hand I did not understand how does it work really. People gather and then there are not structured meeting as far as I saw. the web forum is as I see taking part of it... But is not it a it selecting the people able to join. If u've a dial up connection...
ciao
Damien
All Is About Volunteering
hello, i`ll talk about about my opinon .. yes i c that eglug is open source community since every littel movie or event or idea u will found it writen on eglug site. when a work need to be done , eglug asking for volunteer and thay do the work thay volunteered for . that is how it`s work. about ppl don`t have a lot of time , thay can help with ideas.and not all the activites need to be online on xDSL.and for example the idea of el sakia course. when it`s apporved eglug asked for volunteer , same as the translation of drupal , and aot of thos ppl was working offline ( dial up) enought just to log in get the file he/she will work on and start working . finshed it just 1 more min online commit the file and it`s done.so all u just need is to think about ideas to be done or found event or activite u can help with.and everyone is welcome in this community. i hope my comment explaned the things a bit.
peace
Live Free Or Die...
Well
Add ur own script whenever/wherever it will help somewhere in eglug enviroment !!
and do not expect error messages :) ,unless u redirect the script to /dev/null
Diaa Radwan
I think I'm facing the same b
I think I'm facing the same bug u r facing. But it's the nature of most Open Source Environment. You have to do more effort: a lot of reading, go step-by-step on the hope that one day u got the system that u wanted.
I guess the problem isn't in EGLUG itself but it's personal coz I've no much time.
>>but I wish to find a space where new people >>or people with less time to follow up the forum >>can join and express them self in EGlug.
I think that EGLUG moderators should think about it coz this will always guaranty giving new scripts to the LUG and therefore continue its mission independent on the environment. Actually the courses and meetings idea are good implementation for making wider distribution but u should think in services after sale.
Regards...
It is more about structure of decision
Hello I guess that I was more or less not understood.
I agree with mister Wolf on certain point it is opensource... every actiity are repported.
But my point is different. I am more concerned by the structure of EGLUG than the activity, like who is really taking the decision. Volunteering is not only helping when the Guru said u have to help. It is also participating in the all organisational process.
I want also to answer to Ikhnaton2 that the post was not a personnal complain but a way to launch a reflection about the way EGLUG is managing. I heard from many people complain about lake of volunteer. So I think that the origine of that problem might be there. I mean that by saying we are a horizontal group ( it is written by one of the egelug member on the forum and also in the charter) the structure of taking decision should e clear and democratic.
Ok chears
Damien
what kind of decisions ?
i donn if i messunderstand u or not but what kind of decisions ? if ur talking about for example changing or site from drupal to phpBB2 or whatever that decisions in the hand of the community by vote and poll on it and then approved and Adminstrator take over to do it or ur talking about decisions of doing some courcse or seminar ? for another example i have an idea of doing course in alex i come here say to the ppl i have contact perosnal x and he want to give free GNU/courses in place z so we need volanteers ( that kind of activets don`t dissagree with what LUG made for and with our charter and AUP ) so that don`t conseder a dessions it`s an activites. so explane more what u mean with desions what kind of it ? and i hope u got my point right.
peace
Live Free Or Die...
check the charter
check the charter and policies, these are what govern the decision making process.
these documents where drafted on our wiki, discussed for a long time on the forum and the IRC channel and finally voted on (the policies where rushed in a bit besara7a), and the charter will be reviewed every year (the policies whenever needed).
basically speaking three general principles where agreed upon
rule two is what is responsible for the lack of structure you feel, no formal process is required for you to join an activity or start one, the only thing required is that you organize it in an open fashion over the website and allow interested people to cooperate with you.
this seams to confuse many people, some still seak figures to ask them for permission, some simply don't voice their ideas due to the lack of formal structure and many don't start moing until someone hands them tasks.
we'll be happy to hear practical ideas on how to deal with this, how to encourage more participation and more initiatives.
BTW website governance does follow a formal structure, with different user roles and privileges, unfortuantly this structure is crippled at the moment because of lack of a proper condorcet voting module for drupal (I'll get to writing it one day).
cheers,
Alaa
"u know i once dream that the office of mobinil is from el 7`os :S and the one that answer u and tell u rasidak a girl called ghada"
Mea culpa
Ok right I read better the charter now and I understand what u mean. I based a part of my message on a wrong and really fast lecture of that doc.
I agree with u with the way of not having formal leaders... I am ok with that and I am against it.
I agree also of the way of launching new stuff. It is quiet nice to fell free of launching anything in the sense of a dynamic of group.
My last question comes from my personal experience of autonomious group I have joint before. We had a nice charter a nice idea at the beginning. But we had faced one problem which is the appearance of a non formal structure. I think that every group searching for being horizontal should take care of it. Non formal structure are always worst than a way of organising horisontaly the people.
Anyway I am happy there are some reaction to this...
Ciao
Damien
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