I was thinking that if we all had a way of identifying ourselves as members of eglug, it would get us better treatment in places like IBM for example.
Alaa noted that we are not a formal organization so we can't use such a thing formally.
Well maybe the sakia could endorse such IDs. After all they are a legal NGO.
Or maybe some one else has a brighter IDea.. if we work out an acceptable framework, we'll solve the monetary issues.
what about linux conter no#
i guess have ID or somehting will not chang anything . but we can have those IDs for our self or we can have our linux counter NO# . ( but what will be the Aim from it? ) what u think ?
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That's not the point
We all know each other. We don't need numbers and the likes to know each other.
What I meant is to have a way for other people and organizations to identify us.
how to present EGLUG.
The id or the lapel pin is used to identify the holder of the card,but if we are using something like IDs it will be telling people i am belong to EGLUG ,this will be useful in conference or seminar or presentation. the point here you are not identifying your self you are presenting EGLUG. so if anyone have question for EGLUG ,simply look around,pick anyone have the ID.but for general usage as identification ,i think it will be hard .
Diaa Radwan
why difficult?
In the installfest eglug tshirts did the job. In confrences upto now there was no identification mark so it's a good thing you brought this up. Maybe it will be taken into account in upcoming events.
However as to outdoor IDs I don't think it is difficult. I had this ISIC card that was international and was accepted in lots of places. Knowing how it started and how it got accepted I say doing something similar is not difficult.
But do other LUGs around the world have something similar? Shouldn't there be an international linux community or something. I will check but maybe it's just my imagination running wild.
it's ok .
it is ok . but let us start focusing on shortest (possible) goal :) . what info the card will show ?
Diaa Radwan
simple
like all IDs: name contact member of nice eglug logo
ID cards to identify us as EGLUG
As a comment about the Eglug IDs i see it's a good idea , but as a reply for comments say what'll be the goal or what info for it, i see that we have to think at first in the group to categorize people in it and give each of them a job and ,categorize jobs that leads to a structured group instead of only have IDs to say Eglug Member .. or what's your opinion and where is youssef and alaa opinions
Just say ur opinion
may it hold something like distributions that member used major : according to common categories networking ,security, programming .games etc...
Diaa Radwan
we are a flat organization
We are a flat organization so its meaningless to try to structure it like some company.
As to the kind of experience, it would be like trying to can some air. You can't point at a person and person x = networking.
We are a team and work and complement each other as such.
just my 2 cents.
that's right
-- We are a team and work and complement each other as such. -- that is ok , but the main interests is not shame to be hidden.
Diaa Radwan
what good will that do
I don't understand at all what good will that ID do?
to have an easy method to spot EGLUG members for large events is a good idea, as said Tshirts where the best method for a really crowded event (but they're a bit expensive).
in not so large events it isn't really needed, in the SSTE conference everyone knew who was an EGLUG member.
it may be nice to have a method to advertise that you are a proud eglug member to the world, or as DarknessWolf said that you are a GNU/Linux user, but an ID card wouldn't do the job since it isn't a visible advert, best thing would be bumper stickers which you could stick anywhere and again tshirts.
but ID cards?? what good will that do?
please note that one is an eglug member by simple having an account on the eglug website, having a card that states you did register in this forum is meaningless, no one will put any weight to it since anyone can get it.
and I don't understand the part about getting better treatment in this or that place? what makes you think an EGLUG ID would achieve that?
and IBM??? you'd probably get worse treatment for being an EGLUG member.
cheers,
Alaa
"u know i once dream that the office of mobinil is from el 7`os :S and the one that answer u and tell u rasidak a girl called ghada"
i totally agree with you ---
i totally agree with you
the best things in life are free --- so as myself
what about business cards?
i think id's won't be usefull cause you won't use it alot... may be something like business cards would be a nice idea.. what do u think?
Ahmed D. El-Mekkawy
A vision of what should be.
Apart from T-shirts, stickers, badges etc. that can be used at events ( whether crowded or not, and taking into account the price:benifit ratio ). There should be more. The idea is : 1-if there is such a thing as an EGLUG ID, for those who are active enough to get one, with the linux user number... 2-AND it is know in places as being representative of this person's profeciency in the field of linux... 3- Then in those places it should ( theoretically ) get the holder a more respectable ( or shall I say privileged ) treatment. In my example the ISIC ( international student identification card ) you got discounts at lots of places... internationally ... for just 40 pounds a year ( now it's a little more expensive. I used it in UAE, Italy, Zurich and believe it or not Egypt. And it wasn't really an official thing.
weird
I fail to see the corelation between international student cards (which in my experience have been useless BTW) and a LUG ID card.
most of the world goverments and civil organizations agree on encouraging youth to learn and have rich experiences and thus an ID identifying you as a student is a way for you to benefit from this bias towards students.
however there is no inherit bias towards GNU/Linux freaks anywhere, and thus the ID is pretty much useless.
thats the first point, the second point is any scheme like this is either doomed due to the fact that EGLUG is open and inclusive so anyone can get an ID (exclusivness is what gives these IDs value after all).
or if you insist on finding some exclusivness scheme this will mean breaking th EGLUG community and turning it into a class oriented hierarchy.
we do not measure member competence or even attempt to reward it, only thing EGLUG cares about is commitment, an ID stating that you are highly commited to a nonformal group of crazy freaks won't get you much respect.
but the biggest problem is it is not a LUGs duty to get its members respect or exclusive treatment or anything like that, check the goals again and tell me where does getting you better treatment at IBM fit in.
next I'll be suggesting EGLUG discount cards on yamish.
cheers,
Alaa
"u know i once dream that the office of mobinil is from el 7`os :S and the one that answer u and tell u rasidak a girl called ghada"
again.. and again
alaa whichever way you put, I still can't figure out a way not reach this point of the conversation where you start making these ironic comments. Whether it's just me, or not, the fact is I DO get offended. Maybe I didn't explain clearly enough, which I have been told many times. All you needed to do was point that out.
I consider this conversation closed if no one else has something to add.
I have an idea!
Let's assign md5 hashes to members, convert the md5 hashes to barcodes, and tattoo them to our foreheads or buttocks!
I, for one, welcome our new butt-tattoo-barcode-reading overlords!
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Forget IT
forget it i`ll not tattoo my BUTT :PPP but may be the back of the neck or in the front of the head ;)
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